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PostPosted: 02-03-2011 4:15 pm
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This HTML editor will not allow me to use a table. It works fine and look great in the editing window, but the preview window shows all the code.

So, please go here: <a href="http://pilgrim-platform.org/2010/baptismal-parallels/">http://pilgrim-platform.org/2010/baptismal-parallels/</a>, where you can see the two baptismal tracks side by side. It's important to see the side by side. Then come back and discuss it.

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Stop using the html editing function. Use the normal post editing window that pops up and insert bbcodes to format, create tables, etc.

For tables, see...

http://howtodoit.myfastforum.org/Tables_about92.html

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AMR, I understand HTML. I'm a professional web designer (www.webproper.com). I tried it three ways and none of them worked. I tried pasting directly, pasting the HTML code and building a table just using the editor. Nothing worked.

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It is not you, it is the badly supported html editing in the forum software. You can use bbcodes provided in the link I gave above and implement your tables just fine without resorting to html.

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AMR, I can't put them side by side in a table. PAR
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AMR, I can't put them side by side in a table. PAR
Huh?

See example 3 from the link I gave above on table construction. The key is to remember that the table code must appear as one unbroken line. The examples at the link above show the table codes on separate lines for clarity, but point out you must actually enter them in a text window on a single line.

Thus, this:

Code:
<table border="1">
<tr>
<th>Heading</th>
<th>Another Heading</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>row 1, cell 1</td>
<td>row 1, cell 2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>row 2, cell 1</td>
<td>row 2, cell 2</td>
</tr>
</table>


Must be entered as this:

Code:
<table border="1"><tr><th>Heading</th><th>Another Heading</th></tr><tr><td>row 1, cell 1</td><td>row 1, cell 2</td></tr><tr><td>row 2, cell 1</td><td>row 2, cell 2</td></tr></table>


Which will yield:
HeadingAnother Heading
row 1, cell 1row 1, cell 2
row 2, cell 1row 2, cell 2


So for the content you are referencing, here is a starter look at how the code would be entered:

Code:
<table border="1"><tr><th>[b]INFANT BAPTISM TRACK[/b]</th><th>[b]BELIEVERíS BAPTISM TRACK[/b]</th></tr><tr><td>[b][size=12]1. Infant baptism ceremony
(a symbol of Godís grace)[/size][/b]

[size=12]- To be baptized as a symbol of Godís Covenant is to be brought under Godís eternal covenant with all its attendant promises and threatenings (Deuteronomy 28, 2 Samuel 7, Jeremiah 31:31-40, Matthew 26:26-30, Acts 3:12-26) by the blood of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in the hope of salvation, symbolized by the washing of water by sprinkling or pouring, and the parentsí commitment to Godís covenant[/size].</td>
<td>[b][size=12]1. Infant dedication ceremony
(a symbol of Godís grace)[/size][/b]

[size=12]- To be dedicated as a symbol of Godís Covenant is to be brought under Godís eternal covenant with all its attendant promises and threatenings (Deuteronomy 28, 2 Samuel 7, Jeremiah 31:31-40, Matthew 26:26-30, Acts 3:12-26) by the blood of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in the hope of salvation, symbolized by the laying on of hands upon the infant and the parentsí commitment to Godís covenant.[/size]</td></tr><tr><td>[b][size=12]2. Profession or Confirmation of Faith
(a symbol of personal response to Spiritís work)[/size][/b]

[size=12]- Public confession of faith in Christ as personal Lord and Savior, and a period or process of instruction or testing.[/size]</td><td>[b][size=12]2. Profession or Confirmation of Faith
(a symbol of personal response to Spiritís word)[/size][/b]

[size=12]- Public confession of faith in Christ as personal Lord and Savior, and a period or process of instruction or testing.[/size]</td></tr></table>


Said code would then yield the following:


INFANT BAPTISM TRACKBELIEVERíS BAPTISM TRACK
1. Infant baptism ceremony
(a symbol of Godís grace)


- To be baptized as a symbol of Godís Covenant is to be brought under Godís eternal covenant with all its attendant promises and threatenings (Deuteronomy 28, 2 Samuel 7, Jeremiah 31:31-40, Matthew 26:26-30, Acts 3:12-26) by the blood of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in the hope of salvation, symbolized by the washing of water by sprinkling or pouring, and the parentsí commitment to Godís covenant.
1. Infant dedication ceremony
(a symbol of Godís grace)


- To be dedicated as a symbol of Godís Covenant is to be brought under Godís eternal covenant with all its attendant promises and threatenings (Deuteronomy 28, 2 Samuel 7, Jeremiah 31:31-40, Matthew 26:26-30, Acts 3:12-26) by the blood of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in the hope of salvation, symbolized by the laying on of hands upon the infant and the parentsí commitment to Godís covenant.
2. Profession or Confirmation of Faith
(a symbol of personal response to Spiritís work)


- Public confession of faith in Christ as personal Lord and Savior, and a period or process of instruction or testing.
2. Profession or Confirmation of Faith
(a symbol of personal response to Spiritís word)


- Public confession of faith in Christ as personal Lord and Savior, and a period or process of instruction or testing.


Please note I have also included text sizing tags for the table contents. Without these codes, the table text is a large, ugly, 14-point. I think the above should now allow you to complete the remaining portion of the table you wanted to create.

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See also, example 7 from http://howtodoit.myfastforum.org/Tables_about92.html to see how to add the bullets to your table entries. I omitted that from my example above.

The code would be:

Code:
<li>This is a bullet entry</li>


I have updated the RTI FAQ on post editing to reflect the instructions given above:

http://rti.myfineforum.org/sutra3738.php#3738

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INFANT BAPTISM TRACKBELIEVERíS BAPTISM TRACK
1. Infant baptism ceremony
(a symbol of Godís grace)


  • To be baptized as a symbol of Godís Covenant is to be brought under Godís eternal covenant with all its attendant promises and threatenings (Deuteronomy 28, 2 Samuel 7, Jeremiah 31:31-40, Matthew 26:26-30, Acts 3:12-26) by the blood of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in the hope of salvation, symbolized by the washing of water by sprinkling or pouring, and the parentsí commitment to Godís covenant.
  • 1. Infant dedication ceremony
    (a symbol of Godís grace)


  • To be dedicated as a symbol of Godís Covenant is to be brought under Godís eternal covenant with all its attendant promises and threatenings (Deuteronomy 28, 2 Samuel 7, Jeremiah 31:31-40, Matthew 26:26-30, Acts 3:12-26) by the blood of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in the hope of salvation, symbolized by the laying on of hands upon the infant and the parentsí commitment to Godís covenant.
  • 2. Profession or Confirmation of Faith
    (a symbol of personal response to Spiritís work)


  • Public confession of faith in Christ as personal Lord and Savior, and a period or process of instruction or testing.
  • 2. Profession or Confirmation of Faith
    (a symbol of personal response to Spiritís word)


  • Public confession of faith in Christ as personal Lord and Savior, and a period or process of instruction or testing.
  • 3. Dedication ceremony
    (taking the vows of faithfulness)


  • Confirmation or dedication is a symbol of personal regeneration that involves the laying on of hands as an outward sign of an inward and spiritual receiving or the acceptance and forgiveness of Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior (Acts 9:17).
  • 3. Baptism ceremony
    (taking the vows of faithfulness)


  • To be baptized as a symbol of personal regeneration involves sprinkling, pouring or immersion with water of an individual as an outward sign of an inward spiritual grace, or the acceptance and forgiveness of Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior (Romans 6).

  • 4. Church Membership

  • Requires baptism and profession.
  • Public assent to Godís personal calling to unity in the Body of Christ through the common commitment of believers in a local church.
  • Requires public assent to the local church constitution, by-laws, and Statement of Faith.
  • 4. Church Membership

  • Requires profession and baptism.
  • Public assent to Godís personal calling to unity in the Body of Christ through the common commitment of believers in a local church.
  • Requires public assent to the local church constitution, by-laws, and Statement of Faith.

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    * Requires baptism and profession.
    * Public assent to Godís personal calling to unity in the Body of Christ through the common commitment of believers in a local church.
    * Requires public assent to the local church constitution, by-laws, and Statement of Faith.


    This is not a fair representation of the infant baptism position. Baptized infants are members of the church, without any requirement of a profession on their part. They do not have voting rights and in most cases are not to partake of the Supper. They are nevertheless considered true members of the visible church.

    WCF 28.1 "Baptism is a sacrament of the new testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible church, but also, to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, etc."

    WCF 28.4 "Not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience unto Christ, but also the infants of one, or both, believing parents are to be baptized."

    I am not debating the issue of credo v. infant baptism; I am only pointing out this chart's variance from what our position actually is. And I am doing so because the chart as a whole, and by its misrepresentations, minimizes the wide disparity of views concerning the covenant of grace.
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    Correctly read it says that the infant baptism position requires baptism for membership and when an infant is baptized s/he becomes a member. The profession part has to do with "Confirmation," which most churches no longer do. But it was a long standing historical reality.
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    PARoss wrote:
    Correctly read it says that the infant baptism position requires baptism for membership and when an infant is baptized s/he becomes a member.
    O-o-o-k-a-a-a-y, since you are the author of the chart, you must know the "correct" reading of it. If your chart actually means to represent our position to be that baptized infants are considered members of the church on the basis of their baptism, fine.  I dunno
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    The point of the chart is more practical than theological. It just shows that the same elements are involved in both views, though there are variances.
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    PARoss wrote:
    The point of the chart is more practical than theological. It just shows that the same elements are involved in both views, though there are variances.
    I don't think that's what the chart shows at all. I think the point of the chart has everything to do with theology and little to do with practicality. I think you are attempting to mitigate the significant theological differences between the baptistic v covenant views.

    I still think you are misrepresenting both positions. But you say you are not. I have only the words to go by. You are using special pleading with a "correct" method of interpreting your chart. So be it.

    I could create a chart showing all the similarities between the Catholic Mass and Protestant Communion, to show that there are few practical differences. After all, they both use bread and wine, both are in reference to the body and blood of Christ, so let's not get all tangled up in differences in theology.

    Though I do not think the difference between the credo v. covenant views of baptism is as serious a matter as that between the mass and communion, the differences are far more significant than your chart makes them out to be.

    If you really care about discussing the doctrine of baptism, be sure you are able to state what the positions really are, and the true differences between them.

    [Edited this a bit late. I got called away and probably should not have posted what I wrote originally. My apologies.  Confused   ]
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