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As my latest ones of each are the 26th and 3rd editions...

Would it be worth it to get the latest ones or not?

Use mainly Ubs Greek text for researching the texts , as really not into using the apparatus per say, as textualriticism not really taught/trained in. other than at intro levels...

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As my latest ones of each are the 26th and 3rd editions...

Would it be worth it to get the latest ones or not?

Use mainly Ubs Greek text for researching the texts , as really not into using the apparatus per say, as textualriticism not really taught/trained in. other than at intro levels...


That all depends what you are using them for, the UBS produce their text with a specific audience in mind and the same can be said from the NA text. As for getting an updated version of either, for what purpose do you need them rather then the existing ones you have? The differences are very minor, and if your not into Textual criticism then there is no need to spend the money in my opinion - stick with what you have!
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I agree with RB here. There is really no need to get the latest NA or UBS versions unless you are adept at textual analysis and need the very latest for scholarly efforts.
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As my latest ones of each are the 26th and 3rd editions...

Would it be worth it to get the latest ones or not?

Use mainly Ubs Greek text for researching the texts , as really not into using the apparatus per say, as textualriticism not really taught/trained in. other than at intro levels...


That all depends what you are using them for, the UBS produce their text with a specific audience in mind and the same can be said from the NA text. As for getting an updated version of either, for what purpose do you need them rather then the existing ones you have? The differences are very minor, and if your not into Textual criticism then there is no need to spend the money in my opinion - stick with what you have!


Thanks, as I will then keep using the UBS 3rd edition for studying out from...

I am someone who justs finds myself buying newest editions/revisions, but really need to buy that only when real change happened...

What Greek text/tools do you use when preparing the message then?

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As my latest ones of each are the 26th and 3rd editions...

Would it be worth it to get the latest ones or not?

Use mainly Ubs Greek text for researching the texts , as really not into using the apparatus per say, as textualriticism not really taught/trained in. other than at intro levels...


That all depends what you are using them for, the UBS produce their text with a specific audience in mind and the same can be said from the NA text. As for getting an updated version of either, for what purpose do you need them rather then the existing ones you have? The differences are very minor, and if your not into Textual criticism then there is no need to spend the money in my opinion - stick with what you have!


Thanks, as I will then keep using the UBS 3rd edition for studying out from...

I am someone who justs finds myself buying newest editions/revisions, but really need to buy that only when real change happened...

What Greek text/tools do you use when preparing the message then?


That is not an easy question to answer as I use a number of texts and appartus as needed. I own an NA28 but only in hard copy so I don't refer to it that much, bearing in mind I preach from the NKJV I actually refer a lot to hodge/ farstead and Scrivener's TR as well.

In regards to latest edition, yes is a problem I face too - but the reality is latest edition rarely offer anything you need and they are usually just a way of maintaining a bhelathy profit margin for the company - what does the latest addition of logos really offer me that makes it worth dropping hundreds of pounds for?
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True, as I usually just upgrade to new base core engine when it comes out...

Which do you prefer betwen the Majority text, and the 1894 text more for use?

And you use Logos bible software then mainly?

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True, as I usually just upgrade to new base core engine when it comes out...


No point with Logos 7 as the functionality will be the same as 6 unless you purchase the new datasets.

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I don't know what you mean?

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For some things, I also have bibleworks, and a lot of books.
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[Do you yse the BileWorks mainly for researcing original texts than for the message?

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[Do you yse the BileWorks mainly for researcing original texts than for the message?


It isn't an either/ or thing, but to be clear i don't have the original texts, I have manuscripts and texts that are faithful to the originals and nothing more which i use as I need - sometime in message prepr sometimes to write posts online etc.
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[So you would use the Englishversions themselves to base your sermon messages on?

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[So you would use the Englishversions themselves to base your sermon messages on?


Well, let me see...

(1) I preach in English
(2) I preach to an English congregation
(3) I have a faithful translation of the bible in English
(4) I need my congregation to be able to read for themselves the truths I preach in the Bible

So yes, of course, I use an English Bible in my preaching and I preach from an English text - I would be an utter fool to do otherwise. I have asked you before to demonstrate a single doctrine, or a single text of Scripture, that I cannot faithfully exegete from an English translation and none has been forthcoming so on what grounds can you be so shocked?

Let me be very clear on this point, the preachers job is not just to proclaim the truth but to equip his congregation to read the bible for themselves and the preacher who stands in the pulpit constantly saying 'in the Greek it says....' is closing the bible to the church and implying that they can't understand it without his help!

The Greek and hebrew Exegesis stays in the study and I preach in English.

However, you seem to have skipped the point - the is a huge difference between asserting that one uses the texts of the bible in their original languages and one uses the originals. The later is to state that we have access to the autographs themselves (which we do not).
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I think most would use the English versions for most oftheir research and studies, but there are good Greek/Hebrew study tools also avalable, as my pastor has 2 earned Phd, and he does much of hisstudies in different English versions, but also see gets further insights, nuggets he calls them, fromuse of Lexicons, dictionaries, etc!


He would not advocate doing all work from those tools, but doesuse them tolook into some of the "knotty passages" in the Bible!

Who do most Seminaries require hebrew/Greek be learnt and used then?

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Who do most Seminaries require hebrew/Greek be learnt and used then?

The man called to the ministry should have some facility with the original languages from which our translations spring forth, else he is at the mercy of the "priesthood" of bible translators. Our Lord reminded us that every jot (jod, yodr, iota) and tittle (keraia) remains, so I feel it is my duty as one called to know as much as my abilities can allow about the original languages used by God in His special revelation. Apparently, denominations that sponsored various seminaries would agree that this skill is required for those seeking to serve in these denominations. Wink

But to key off of what RB noted, when a cook prepares a meal, he does not bring out all the pots and pans to the table where the meal is served. Similarly, the minister's wrestling with the sermon text using all the tools and training he has obtained before delivery on Sunday is not something the congregant in the pew needs to be subjected to.
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I must have misunderstood him then, as I thought that he meant that he just used the English versions and tools for preparing his messages.

RB really was saying that he uses the various tools. but that he keeps his remarks to just what is found in the English version itself?

My pastor does at times quote the Hebrew/Greek word and states them aloud, and usually just gives the definition for them as used in the passage under study.

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RB really was saying that he uses the various tools. but that he keeps his remarks to just what is found in the English version itself?


Yes, RB was stating that the work done cooking in the kitchen (sermon prep) with special pots and pans (lexicons, grammars, commentaries, etc.) should normally stay in the kitchen, not be brought out when the meal (the sermon) is delivered. Hence, RB noted "The Greek and Hebrew Exegesis stays in the study and I preach in English."

No one disputes the occasional reference to the underlying ancient language of Scripture, when it is very appropriate, but these should be quite rare, most appropriate when one is exhorting from the pulpit on passages claimed to be controversial. On these occasions I simply made passing remarks noting this or that side's opinions and why I am going to treat the passage being exposited accordingly. The key here, is for the minister to not be exhibiting mist in the pulpit, as this always leads to fog in the pews. Wink
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